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	<title>Comments on: PayDotCom vs. ClickBank &#8212; a study in caveats</title>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://WhiteHatCrew.com/blog/paydotcom-vs-clickbank-a-study-in-caveats/#comment-697</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Sep 2010 02:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paydotcom needs to wake up. They&#039;ve lost over 200 products in the last three months from their Marketplace. They&#039;re in the 1,600-range now and if this continues, there won&#039;t be anyone selling anything on that site. Of course, it doesn&#039;t help that Filsaime is terrorizing sellers now into thinking the IRS is going to go after us for paying affiliates. Oh, what a coincidence, another Filsaime product for all of us to buy...

I&#039;ve been with Paydotcom for two years. This was because Clickbank refused my first book. I just put out a second book, and because I feel obligated to Paydotcom for their previous support, I listed the book with them.

It&#039;s been a month and only three affiliates have signed up. There is no listing of New items on the web-site which, of course, would greatly help sellers with new products; but, oh yeah, I can pay more money to have a listing on the main page. What a deal.

For two years the site has been the same. No updates nor improvements; even the same crappy grammar and misspelled words. The only new thing that comes to the site is when Filsaime has a new product he is trying to sell us. Honestly, I have a lot of respect for the guy and he&#039;s made millions of off the Internet, which I haven&#039;t; but if his books/products are a reflection of the Paydotcom site, then I hope he has a good return policy.

Anyway, I&#039;m working on switching over to Clickbank, which I entirely hate to do, because I feel an allegiance with Paydotcom for listing me when Clickbank wouldn&#039;t. I can keep my allegiance with Paydotcom and continue to lose money or break my allegiance and increase my financial success. It&#039;s not that hard of a decision to make.

It&#039;s a shame, really; Paydotcom had so much potential.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paydotcom needs to wake up. They&#8217;ve lost over 200 products in the last three months from their Marketplace. They&#8217;re in the 1,600-range now and if this continues, there won&#8217;t be anyone selling anything on that site. Of course, it doesn&#8217;t help that Filsaime is terrorizing sellers now into thinking the IRS is going to go after us for paying affiliates. Oh, what a coincidence, another Filsaime product for all of us to buy&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been with Paydotcom for two years. This was because Clickbank refused my first book. I just put out a second book, and because I feel obligated to Paydotcom for their previous support, I listed the book with them.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been a month and only three affiliates have signed up. There is no listing of New items on the web-site which, of course, would greatly help sellers with new products; but, oh yeah, I can pay more money to have a listing on the main page. What a deal.</p>
<p>For two years the site has been the same. No updates nor improvements; even the same crappy grammar and misspelled words. The only new thing that comes to the site is when Filsaime has a new product he is trying to sell us. Honestly, I have a lot of respect for the guy and he&#8217;s made millions of off the Internet, which I haven&#8217;t; but if his books/products are a reflection of the Paydotcom site, then I hope he has a good return policy.</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m working on switching over to Clickbank, which I entirely hate to do, because I feel an allegiance with Paydotcom for listing me when Clickbank wouldn&#8217;t. I can keep my allegiance with Paydotcom and continue to lose money or break my allegiance and increase my financial success. It&#8217;s not that hard of a decision to make.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a shame, really; Paydotcom had so much potential.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://WhiteHatCrew.com/blog/paydotcom-vs-clickbank-a-study-in-caveats/#comment-440</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 00:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Article!

Other charges not covered by the article include a $2.50 processing fee by Clickbank on every payment once your threshold has been reached. Also, for us non US citizens we have to cash US$ cheques that also generally incurs a processing fee - can Clickbank send out cheques in other currencies, eg. AUD$?

Also if there is no activity for 90 consecutive days on a Clickbank account you start incurring charges starting at $1 up to $50 after 365 days if your account is in credit. This can be a nightmare to check if you have a number of Clickbank accounts and some &#039;older&#039; products with little traffic.

A positive with Clickbank though is that I do not have any tax concerns as Clickbank is making payments to affiliates and therefore has the audit related issues of knowing who they have paid. Mike tries to get around this by introducing his &#039;new&#039; service www.paypeopleonline.com however this costs affiliates each time you pay them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Article!</p>
<p>Other charges not covered by the article include a $2.50 processing fee by Clickbank on every payment once your threshold has been reached. Also, for us non US citizens we have to cash US$ cheques that also generally incurs a processing fee &#8211; can Clickbank send out cheques in other currencies, eg. AUD$?</p>
<p>Also if there is no activity for 90 consecutive days on a Clickbank account you start incurring charges starting at $1 up to $50 after 365 days if your account is in credit. This can be a nightmare to check if you have a number of Clickbank accounts and some &#8216;older&#8217; products with little traffic.</p>
<p>A positive with Clickbank though is that I do not have any tax concerns as Clickbank is making payments to affiliates and therefore has the audit related issues of knowing who they have paid. Mike tries to get around this by introducing his &#8216;new&#8217; service <a href="http://www.paypeopleonline.com">http://www.paypeopleonline.com</a> however this costs affiliates each time you pay them.</p>
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		<title>By: Antone Roundy</title>
		<link>http://WhiteHatCrew.com/blog/paydotcom-vs-clickbank-a-study-in-caveats/#comment-275</link>
		<dc:creator>Antone Roundy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trevor,

Since PayDotCom doesn&#039;t actually do the payment processing (PayPal does), they&#039;re limited to what you can do through PayPal, which doesn&#039;t include 1-click upsells (at least not in ways that won&#039;t kill a lot of sales).

As for the membership question, any membership software that works with ClickBank SHOULD handle declines and cancellations -- presumably, they use PayPal IPN (instant payment notification) to credit payments to member accounts, so if they payment doesn&#039;t go through, the account doesn&#039;t get credited, so it expires.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trevor,</p>
<p>Since PayDotCom doesn&#8217;t actually do the payment processing (PayPal does), they&#8217;re limited to what you can do through PayPal, which doesn&#8217;t include 1-click upsells (at least not in ways that won&#8217;t kill a lot of sales).</p>
<p>As for the membership question, any membership software that works with ClickBank SHOULD handle declines and cancellations &#8212; presumably, they use PayPal IPN (instant payment notification) to credit payments to member accounts, so if they payment doesn&#8217;t go through, the account doesn&#8217;t get credited, so it expires.</p>
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		<title>By: Trevor Levine</title>
		<link>http://WhiteHatCrew.com/blog/paydotcom-vs-clickbank-a-study-in-caveats/#comment-274</link>
		<dc:creator>Trevor Levine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 03:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand that PDC has a huge network of affiliates. But from the posts above, it sounds like affiliates involved with PDC might be lower quality affiliates than those with Clickbank. Any feedback on this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand that PDC has a huge network of affiliates. But from the posts above, it sounds like affiliates involved with PDC might be lower quality affiliates than those with Clickbank. Any feedback on this?</p>
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		<title>By: Trevor Levine</title>
		<link>http://WhiteHatCrew.com/blog/paydotcom-vs-clickbank-a-study-in-caveats/#comment-273</link>
		<dc:creator>Trevor Levine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 02:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a really great post. Thanks!

I am actively comparing software for shopping cart / affiliate management. 

I understand that clickbank now offers a 1-click upsell, but only for vendors with a 6 month history and 5,000 prior sales!

How about PDC? When someone subscribes to my digital content, do they allow a 1-click upsell? Or do customers have to type in their credit card info a second time?

On another note, I have a yearlong micro-continuity program. If a member’s credit card is declined, or s/he cancels her subscription, will PDC alert membership software, so it can shut out that member? 

If which membership software does it integrate with?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a really great post. Thanks!</p>
<p>I am actively comparing software for shopping cart / affiliate management. </p>
<p>I understand that clickbank now offers a 1-click upsell, but only for vendors with a 6 month history and 5,000 prior sales!</p>
<p>How about PDC? When someone subscribes to my digital content, do they allow a 1-click upsell? Or do customers have to type in their credit card info a second time?</p>
<p>On another note, I have a yearlong micro-continuity program. If a member’s credit card is declined, or s/he cancels her subscription, will PDC alert membership software, so it can shut out that member? </p>
<p>If which membership software does it integrate with?</p>
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		<title>By: Antone Roundy</title>
		<link>http://WhiteHatCrew.com/blog/paydotcom-vs-clickbank-a-study-in-caveats/#comment-227</link>
		<dc:creator>Antone Roundy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eugene, I&#039;m sure there are some merchants who don&#039;t pay. Promote products from sellers that look credible. If it looks like they&#039;re making lots of sales, they have a lot to lose by trying to rip their affiliates off -- no serious marketer would risk damaging their reputation and losing affiliates by doing that.

To those who&#039;ve complained about ClickBank&#039;s payment policy, I have two comments:

1) Yeah, it stinks. But what I think REALLY stinks about it is that the commissions they don&#039;t pay out don&#039;t go back to the merchant -- ClickBank pockets them.

2) If you sell anything on ClickBank, you know by now that for a VERY high percentage of your sales, the buyer is also the affiliate. Customers are abusing ClickBank sellers just to get a discount, but never promoting a single thing.

I don&#039;t think ClickBank should be profiting at the seller&#039;s expense, but I have no qualms with buyers who never promote anything not getting the benefit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eugene, I&#8217;m sure there are some merchants who don&#8217;t pay. Promote products from sellers that look credible. If it looks like they&#8217;re making lots of sales, they have a lot to lose by trying to rip their affiliates off &#8212; no serious marketer would risk damaging their reputation and losing affiliates by doing that.</p>
<p>To those who&#8217;ve complained about ClickBank&#8217;s payment policy, I have two comments:</p>
<p>1) Yeah, it stinks. But what I think REALLY stinks about it is that the commissions they don&#8217;t pay out don&#8217;t go back to the merchant &#8212; ClickBank pockets them.</p>
<p>2) If you sell anything on ClickBank, you know by now that for a VERY high percentage of your sales, the buyer is also the affiliate. Customers are abusing ClickBank sellers just to get a discount, but never promoting a single thing.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think ClickBank should be profiting at the seller&#8217;s expense, but I have no qualms with buyers who never promote anything not getting the benefit.</p>
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		<title>By: Eugene</title>
		<link>http://WhiteHatCrew.com/blog/paydotcom-vs-clickbank-a-study-in-caveats/#comment-226</link>
		<dc:creator>Eugene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is really confusing! I am an affiliate I just want to know if PDC is right choice or not from someone who has tried it before?

is there a problem with merchant refusing to pay?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is really confusing! I am an affiliate I just want to know if PDC is right choice or not from someone who has tried it before?</p>
<p>is there a problem with merchant refusing to pay?</p>
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		<title>By: Marketingfreak</title>
		<link>http://WhiteHatCrew.com/blog/paydotcom-vs-clickbank-a-study-in-caveats/#comment-218</link>
		<dc:creator>Marketingfreak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 05:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have only registered with Paydotcom today, I have been faithful to Clickbank. However they payment policy sucks and I&#039;m not keen on picking up checks so much. I&#039;m from Europe so I have to wait way too long to receive checks to my home.
I will give Paydotcom a try now. Thanks for a detailed analysis!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have only registered with Paydotcom today, I have been faithful to Clickbank. However they payment policy sucks and I&#8217;m not keen on picking up checks so much. I&#8217;m from Europe so I have to wait way too long to receive checks to my home.<br />
I will give Paydotcom a try now. Thanks for a detailed analysis!</p>
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		<title>By: doobie</title>
		<link>http://WhiteHatCrew.com/blog/paydotcom-vs-clickbank-a-study-in-caveats/#comment-216</link>
		<dc:creator>doobie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 23:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The very first time I went to Paydotcom was just to evaluate their product marketplace. I wasn&#039;t on the site 15 minutes and some vendor&#039;s squeeze page tried to hijack my machine with a trojan. Ain&#039;t that some $h1T !! I was able to remove but I just saying...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The very first time I went to Paydotcom was just to evaluate their product marketplace. I wasn&#8217;t on the site 15 minutes and some vendor&#8217;s squeeze page tried to hijack my machine with a trojan. Ain&#8217;t that some $h1T !! I was able to remove but I just saying&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rimzan</title>
		<link>http://WhiteHatCrew.com/blog/paydotcom-vs-clickbank-a-study-in-caveats/#comment-205</link>
		<dc:creator>Rimzan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 02:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CB sucks with their weird policy for aff&#039;s you have to get your products sell thru 4 different payment systems i mean different CC thas sucks i hate CB  but PDC is far better

Rimzan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CB sucks with their weird policy for aff&#8217;s you have to get your products sell thru 4 different payment systems i mean different CC thas sucks i hate CB  but PDC is far better</p>
<p>Rimzan</p>
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